CM: But do you listen to other podcasts?

MS: I really don’t listen to too many podcasts. I’m sorry about that, ’cause I spend a lot of time in the car. And I don’t use AirPods.

CM: Because of 5G?

MS: That’s how I found my husband was being unfaithful—when he was lying in the garden with [Bluetooth earbuds], and he thought he was covered with leaves, and he had those things in his ears. I’ve hated them ever since.

CM: That’s a good reason. When we were preparing for this interview, I said, “I feel very close to Martha,” because even though we don’t know each other very well, my mother, Candice Bergen, is often confused for you.

MS: I’ve known you since you were born—you don’t even know that. And your mother married an old boyfriend of mine.

CM: I didn’t know that. He was a boyfriend of yours?

MS: Yeah, I went out with him a couple times. He was a very nice man.

CM: You were out and about at New York Fashion Week last week. Tell me about that.

MS: It was busy. Oh my gosh, I had such a good time. I didn’t get to a lot of shows, but I did get to Libertine, which was in the Elizabeth Street Garden. Johnson [Hartig] has done a very good job of helping keep that garden alive. So I support him very much, and I love his clothes. I went to Alexander Wang…

CM: I know, you played mahjong with Cardi B.

MS: Oh my gosh. Cardi B didn’t know anything about mahjong, but she is so fun. And she looked gorgeous. She brought her little seven-year-old girl.

CM: Did you teach Cardi how to play mahjong?

MS: Well, we talked about it, but you can’t do it that fast.

CM: Other Fashion Week parties you went to?

MS: Let me see. I went to J.Crew.

CM: That looked fun. You were in the room full of cashmere, right?

MS: It was so fun. And it turns out, there was a room made [to look] sort of like a bedroom/library, and the blanket on the bed was knitted in dark blue and dark red cashmere—very, very thick cashmere. And my 10-year-old nephew, Silas, had knitted that. I think he got paid $1,200. His mother had worked on it also, and another crafter up in eastern Connecticut. How weird is that connection?